tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post3760231383928396196..comments2024-02-26T18:15:13.441+08:00Comments on the homilia of a budding NT scholar: Real Estate Examination and Theological Education: A Correlation?Kar Yonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08085356536248608342noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-90622992278078191292007-08-01T17:47:00.000+08:002007-08-01T17:47:00.000+08:00Ionstorm,Thanks for those relevant questions. I wi...Ionstorm,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for those relevant questions. I will pick them up in a separate post, soon... soon.... :-)Kar Yonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08085356536248608342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-8957353230932658732007-08-01T17:45:00.000+08:002007-08-01T17:45:00.000+08:00Dear SP,Thanks for your thoughts and also the link...Dear SP,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your thoughts and also the link. I actually read that article some years ago.Kar Yonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08085356536248608342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-39021825001656783562007-07-30T21:26:00.000+08:002007-07-30T21:26:00.000+08:00Maybe this question might be apt...Where did Jesus...Maybe this question might be apt...<BR/><BR/>Where did Jesus learn from, what was his model of teaching, and subsequently, where/what did his disciples learn from?EJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10940730823542375778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-54797305976488986532007-07-30T21:14:00.000+08:002007-07-30T21:14:00.000+08:00Read the interesting article, 'The Pastor as Theol...Read the interesting article, 'The Pastor as Theologian' few years back. Glad it is still there http://www.founders.org/FJ43/editorial.html<BR/>Though one need not go to a seminary to be a theologian, it is expected that all who go into pastoral ministry equipped themselves theologically. But for those who think formal theological education is not necessary to be a effective pastor, may I ask how much time do those pastors without formal theological education spend reflecting on issues affecting their ministry theologically. In the first place are they trained or equipped to think in such a manner?<BR/>How much time do they spend reading books on theology. <BR/>Of course, it doesn't mean those with a theological degree will always reflect on issues theologically.<BR/>I'm blessed to have a pastor who has a M.Th and who places great importance on exegesis and the need to think through issues theologically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-61297309943920630722007-07-30T19:38:00.000+08:002007-07-30T19:38:00.000+08:00It seems to me those who are not in favour of theo...It seems to me those who are not in favour of theological education come from NECF afflicated churches, not the CCM affliated churches. It seems evangelicals in Malaysia do not really believe in the benefits of theological education. Just take a look at some of the "mega" churches and you will notice that many, if not all, the pastors are not theologically trained, perhaps with the exception of the senior pastor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-89125765697856998472007-07-30T19:24:00.000+08:002007-07-30T19:24:00.000+08:00Pearlie, thanks for your thoughts.Dear anonymous, ...Pearlie, thanks for your thoughts.<BR/><BR/>Dear anonymous, Thanks for your comments, but I'd just wish that you would identify yourself rather than remain anonymous, especially if you have something constructive to offer.<BR/><BR/>My originally intention is to follow up with another post after this one on some of the issues both you and Pearlie highlighted, but since you have eloquently addressed some of them, I think there is no need for me to do so. I will offer some comments on couple of issues you highlighted later on in a separate post, especially on the current state of theological education which is more of a kind of my self-criticism as an "insider".Kar Yonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08085356536248608342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-64771278759739603002007-07-30T17:14:00.001+08:002007-07-30T17:14:00.001+08:00No Place For Truth?No Place For Truth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-38195516857597499712007-07-30T17:14:00.000+08:002007-07-30T17:14:00.000+08:00I could also be wrong ...... 1) To me, a secular j...I could also be wrong ......<BR/> <BR/>1) To me, a secular job is different from a spiritual job (unless we treat the spiritual job i.e. a pastoral job as a secular job; problem I see is that we are not always prepared to hold a principle all the way)<BR/>I believe that the separation of spiritual and secular is man-made. But if we believe that a secular job is different from a spiritual one, then a secular job cannot be compared to a spiritual job (although we may also argue about what is spiritual.). If we insist on separation between clergy and laity, are the disciples classified as clergy or laity? What about Paul who is a tent maker? Or is it once you graduate from theological seminary, you become clergy?<BR/><BR/>2) Maybe Jesus should have selected His disciples from the among the pharisees and scribes or from the priesthood of His day. Why didn't He do so? His disciples were not educated. <BR/><BR/>3) Formal education is always good and beneficial, but is it a must? It is better to have, but is it deadly not to have? It can also be deadly to have. However, one should ask if formal theological education (in its current state) is making a difference for the advancement of the God's work on earth. If theological education is the one major single parameter that differentiates between a good pastor/worker and a bad one, we should all insist on having theological education. But is it? Can we attempt to measure the difference? Does a Phd holder make a better pastor/worker than a Masters degree graduate, or a degree graduate better than a diploma graduate? <BR/><BR/>4) We do need theologians. Just maybe, do we need so many! Do we need a pastor to be a theologian? Learning about God and His Word is important, it is different than knowing God. Do we need to be a theologian to fulfill the Great Commission?<BR/><BR/>5) Someone once compared the bible school to a medical school and he opined that trusting untrained "pastors" is like trusting a surgeon who has not graduated from medical school to operate on us. I see two problems with this comparison.<BR/>- Pastors don't operate on people, the Holy Spirit does the work/surgery. Not the pastor! <BR/>- Surgeons or doctors have on the job training before they qualify to practice. It is quite different for a Theological seminary, everyone who graduates qualifies to be a priest or a pastor although he or she have no ministry experience <BR/><BR/>In conclusion …. <BR/>I guess to me, theological education is important and beneficial but is it not the ONLY critical factor. There is a need for a well-balanced person who is well developed in Character and Ministry. Also if God calls a person to do a work, He will enable/empower the person (with or without formal theological education). If God has not call a person to do a spiritual work, one can be well educated and highly trained theologically but the person will fail miserably because God has not enable/empower him/her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-51022720132289512042007-07-30T17:01:00.000+08:002007-07-30T17:01:00.000+08:00I could also be wrong ...... 1) To me, a secular j...I could also be wrong ......<BR/> <BR/>1) To me, a secular job is different from a spiritual job (unless we treat the spiritual job i.e. a pastoral job as a secular job)!<BR/>I believe that the separation of spiritual and secular is man-made. But if we believe that a secular job is different from a spiritual one, then a secular job cannot be compared to a spiritual job.(Although we may also argue about what is spiritual. Problem I see is that we are not always prepared to hold a principle all the way). If we insist on separation between clergy and laity, are the disciples clergy or laity? what about apostle Paul who works? Or is it once you graduate from theological seminary, you become clergy?<BR/><BR/>2) Maybe Jesus should have selected His disciples from the among the pharisees and scribes or from the priesthood of His day. Why didn't He do so? His disciples were not educated. <BR/><BR/>3)Formal education is always good and beneficial, but is it a must? It is better to have, but is it deadly not to have? It can be deadly to have. However, one should ask if formal theological education (in its current state) is making a difference for the advancement of the God's work on earth. If theological education is the one major single parameter that differentiates between a good pastor/worker and a bad one, we should all insist on having theological education. But is it? Can we attempt to measure the difference? Does a masters degree graduate make a better pastor/worker than a diploma graduate? <BR/><BR/>4) We do need theologians. Just maybe, we don't need so many! Do we need a pastor to be a theologian? Learning about God and His Word is important, it is different than knowing God.<BR/><BR/>5) Someone once compared the bible school to a medical school and he opined that trusting untrained "pastors" is like trusting a surgeon who has not graduated from medical school to operate on us. I see two problems with this comparison.<BR/>- pastors don't operate on people, the Holy Spirit does the work/surgery. Not the pastor!<BR/>- surgeons or doctors have on the job training before they qualify to practice. It is different for Theological seminary, everyone who graduates is qualify to be a pastor although He/She have no experience <BR/><BR/>6) I guess to me, theological education is beneficial but is it more important than having a call? My premise is that if God calls you to do a work, He enables You (with or without formal theological education). If God has not call you to pastor or do a spiritual work, you can be highly trained theologically but you will fail miserably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2079461116492986819.post-32198020239882286952007-07-30T10:35:00.000+08:002007-07-30T10:35:00.000+08:00Interesting post. I could be wrong, since I am not...Interesting post. <BR/><BR/>I could be wrong, since I am not in the real estate industry but the dissimilarity I can see though <BR/>between the 2 is that the subjects you mentioned, i.e. Land Law, Estate Agency Law, Property Taxation, Principles of Valuation, Building Technology, Principles of Economics, Land Economics are really quite set and stable, that is, more often than not the experts (and non-experts) would agree more or less on it. This is not so with Theology. Put together just a group from different denominations and there you have it, endless debate easily just on one topic alone, say baptism for example.<BR/><BR/>So there is so much more the need to trash all this out in a classroom, in a safe environment so to speak, to come to an understanding where one is in relation to another and be at rest that there will be differences.<BR/><BR/>But I suppose those who has the opinion that this is not necessary prefers to learn on-the-job. To me, all kinds of jobs and skills can be learnt on-the-job. It would only take a longer time and it will only take you that far, to the detriment of the people you serve.pearliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142595255771626179noreply@blogger.com